THE BAD SIDE OF ACH AND ITS ABUSES
LEGISLATIVE REFORMS DESPERATELY NEEDED
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There once wuz a Chicago bank robber named Willy
who drove Chicago cops nearly silly
When he was asked why banks he would loot
his answer a hoot
"cause thats where the money is" was his answer to question so moot
What Willy didn't know
a better way to rob is condoned
he'd ne'er end up in lockup's atone
If a bank he only did own
For if a bank he did own
to all money he'd loan
In bankruptsy court he roam
and not in the slammer alone
and congress would pay all his willy-nilly loans

While Chicago bank robber Willie Sutton who had a press following was said to be unable to rob someone personally current banks and banks which issue credit cards put him to shame with their practices and now call for uniformed regulation.

If Main Stream Media worked as hard as they do on their political agendas on items of real concern to the American people such as; How big bank credit cards are ripping off particularly the poor by using any excuse to increase their interest rate perhaps this abuse would be stopped. Including how their (big bank) greed can bring down this economy forcing increased bankruptsies.

Then once a depression hits expect US tax payers to bail those banks out.

How is this going to happen ? Its clear by the boiler plate credit card solutions offered by the MSM on TV prove they haven't a clue as to what the problems are. Perhaps those working on those assignments instead of comparing insestious notes with their neighbors get out of their cubby holes and go into the real world. Meanwhile the MS-tv-M eagerly accept commercials offering phoney credit card users budget solutions stating claims that should be investigated.

WHAT TO DO ABOUT IDENTITY THEFT

Using the security freeze on your credit card credit information Consumers Union offers information on the costs and which states offer this service and legislative status on pending bills. The fair trade commission offers information about id theft and credit freezeFTC Credit Freeze

DON'T BE MISTAKEN BY AUTO PAY

You make out a check and write in the ammount then on the space provided you place your signature which acts as the equivalent in todays computer world as your personal password that authorizes a withdrawal from your account and present that for payment. With todays ACH (automatic clearing house) procedures. That protection of your authorization of payment is gone. Now any operation be it store, credit card, service etc if they have your checking account number can present a ACH demand for payment and your bank will process it as an authorized withdrawal from your account without your knowledge.
    Even the poor try to their budget credit card payments according to their income. Once their bills go beyond their income up what happens ?

The new bankruptsy law was really written for those credit card issuers such as MBNA which screwed around with minimum payments,then watched for or used any excuse to bump up their interest rates up to 29% while not increasing minimum payments. Then they ran over to congress to CTG (cover their greed) demanding "reform".

.The problem using the Automatic Clearing House Network . Big banks credit card ops can raid the debt over burdened bank account by issuing an unauthorized "payment check" which can deplete the account and make the debtor unable to meet even their minimal living requirements. They do this with a concealed permission you give them when you set up ACH payments.

What folks don't realize is to stop this the debtor must go to their bank and issue a written stop order against the credit card bank. Despite the fact they never manually authorized a payment in the first place. They are then charged by their bank for a stop payment charged against them by their bank for stopping a payment they never issued in the first place.

If you inquire about this to your local bank they will tell you that when doing this you also may be approving a concealed release for the credit card that allows them to take out a minimum payment without your knowledge if you happen to miss a payment. If you do not want this to happen they may suggest for you not to use ACH payment services in the first place.

Hardest hit are those who followed the social security demand for "direct deposit" and set this up with their local bank. Many on limited fixed incomes will be forced to close their account and go back to relying on another federal bureaucracy USPS. If they go to a lawyer the lawyer will suggestthe only recourse you have is to to close the account.The new bankruptsy law does not address these usurious interest rates or service charges. Once a card holder finds themself unable to make those minimum payments the card holder gets contacted by an affilate, associate, or surrogate of the card issuer offering to lend full payment to the bank at of course a higher rate of interest, but at a more manageable payment which will take 10 lifetimes to pay off. Or declare banruptsy which many will do irregardless of "bankruptsy reform". Once that happens this house of cards is going to fall.

The Point of all This Is
the main stream media abandoned its reason for being that of performing the service as a guardian

The Main Stream Media while fiddling around with its esoteric agenda let fellow Americans get ensnared, burned, and buried, by trick bag tactics.


    While the US Senate are busy protecting banks from run away bankruptcies why aren't they busy policing the predatory practices causing bankruptcy  NPR New Bankrputcy lawby some of those banking polices listed here ?
    Is your credit card moving their payment date so if you miss it they can sock you with a higher interest rate ?
   As soon as that law was passed operations like MBNA lost no time in mailing out their amendments to your credit card agreement If you can figure out what this means your a "Gunga Din" (a better man than I am)and don't forget in the Kipling poem he got killed.

Grace period
You do not have a Grace Period for Category A or Category B Cash Advances.You will have a Grace Period on Category C Purchases and new Category D other balances ,in a billing cycle in which you Pay in Full ,from the day after the Pay in Full date until the end of that billing cycle. You will have a Grace Period for an entire billing cycle on new Category C Purchases and new Category D Other Balances and on Category C and Category D balances remaining from previous billing cycles if you Pay in Full by the Payment Due Date and if during the previous billing cycle you Pay in Full. What they doing is using this kind of gobbeldygook to move their payment date so if you miss it they can sock you with a higher interest rate. Its a trap !
   Take for example MBNA one of the largest card issuers who recently announced an increase in minimum payments following Bank of America which announced first. In addition to increasing its finance charges from 17% in 2003 to a whopping 29% in 2005, MBNA has set up a cyclic payment date where scheduled payments can move forward about as much as a week. So if one doesn't pay attention to their "penciling" and check their statements and send in a payment late they will get a hefty $35 late charge which MBNA won't wave. Kevin Drum; Washington Monthly

MBNA set up an arrangement with The American Legion and some of their cards carry the official Legion emblem on them. But the Legion (national) has yet to announce what the Legion gets out of this deal. The "kicker" is MBNA doing some consumer tracking of its own targeting this group because of their respective ages for what purpose ?Raising interest rates or users fees ? Setting credit limits ? Legion members which have this card can tell the national they are getting a screwing.

One of the worst offenders is a card issued by Cross Country Bank of Huntington WV. A Wisconsin woman went off on the deep end after experiencing a traumatic relationship ran over her $950 credit line to $1415 which is mostly in late charges and "service fees".

Cross Country Bank is now demanding a minimum payment of $315. Thats almost a quarter of the debt. She attempted to get a reduction in minimum payment only to be rebuffed by this credit card issuer, not only that, the 800 number they indicate in their statement to contact is no longer in service.

Then there are those community bank buy outs by large inter-state banks. Many of those community banks had small savings account holdings which got wiped out by service charges.If one attempted to withdraw their funds they ran into a bysantine rigamarole set up by the holding bank or given the wrong information. Their system seemed to have been designed by a DMV supervisor. Why should banks be allowed to collect a service charge for a savings account in the first place ? (more on this)
   Credit Ratings based on judgements for traffic fines should be questioned. These do not follow the normal method of attempting to collect on a given transaction such as a bank or creditor would use, they simply issue a judgement without following those procedures, such as proof an attempt to make a collection prior to issuing a judgement was made which applies to others .(more on this)
    Senator Dodd, CT (D) (yes the liberal Senator Christopher Dodd) Has a bill before congress to stop credit card abuses and deserves support from every quarter. The bill he's crafted concerns itself mainly with the ages of creditcard holders (18) however there are some provisions mentioned here which are addressed, and there is similiar a bill in the house.He's looking for co-sponsors. WE ENCOURAGE DODD TO AMEND THE BILL TO ENCOMPASS OTHER CREDIT CARD ABUSES THIS EFFORT DESERVES BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.

LINKS TELL YOUR US REPRESENTATIVE WE NEED CREDIT CARD REFORM

US House of Representatives
its time for usury limits and an end to credit card abuses by banks. If you wish type in this site http://www.theusmat.com/ Tell my state US Senatorsditto.

    Talk Show Consumer Advocate Clark Howard has been recently addressing entrapments by collection agencies which buy up old (defunct post 7 year) credit card bills and demand collection. Once a payment (which is not required)is made on that bill the collection agency can then submit a judgement which goes to the credit reporting agency and it is treated as a new unpaid defaulted bill. Consumer more on this including cited abuses as it develops
   For more on these subjects check out America's premier syndicated talk show consumer advocate website CLARK HOWARD
New Org demands stronger credit requirements lower interest rates predicts 2+ million latinos and blacks will face foreclosure PR wire
MASSACHUSETTS STOPS SEIZING SOME VEHICLES FOR UNPAID MEDICAL DEBTS Cars seized

YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE
AND ABUSES OR PROBLEMS WITH YOUR STATE LICENSE REGULATOR
DMV, DOT, SECRETARY OF STATE WHICH SHOULD BE CORRECTED BY YOUR STATE LEGISLATURE

The following is a series of articles of abuses by sundry regulators where every effort is made to verify claims
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OUR ADVICE DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE.

NOT PAYING YOUR TRAFFIC FINES ? WATCH OUT FOR THE "RUSH TO JUDGEMENTS"
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BESIDE ISSUING LICENSE SUSPENSIONS FOR FINES NOT RELATED TO DRIVING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE NOW RESORTING TO FILING COURT JUDGEMENTS ON "UNPAID" TRAFFIC FINES
(jurisdictions are "kangaroo courting" cash unpaid judgements without following protocols required by credit collection law)

THE INTENT IS TO GET THEIR UNPAID FINES REPORTED AS UNPAID BILLS TO CERTAIN CREDIT BUREAUS CREATING CREDIT PROBLEMS FOR THE RECIPIENT
THOSE JURISDICTIONS RESORTING TO THIS CIVIL ACTION THIS MAY FIND MAY FIND THEMSELVES AT THE END OF CIVIL ACTION IN WHICH THE UNSUSPECTING ARE ON OPEN ENDED OR CONTESTED CASES

Do Drivers Have Civil Rights?
The Supreme court ruling which allowed the "driving is a privledge not a right " contention to stand has allowed state drivers license regulators to run amuck and led to a whole series of abuses .

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DRIVERS LICENSE SEARCH ENGINE FAQ's

If you have a US OWI (DUI-DWI) you may not be able to enter Canada unless you fall into these categories or meet these requirements and get permission Canadian Visit Info

Most states do not allow an issuance of driving privledges including hardship over a reciprocal(some other states) suspension or revocation.As in the previous case IL vs WI.
Does Yours ?
If not. Should your state in extreme cases be able to do so ?
  hardshiplicense.com QUES.Is my state reciprocal with other states ?

ANS: All states are reciprocal. Essay on problems with reciprocal agreements between states known as the Drivers License Compact has link to list of DLC states.... last updated 05 Brad on the DLC
   Example of many problems in reciprocity. Google Answers DLC problems.However check these sites to see the differences between states and their laws all states are listed State Driving Laws
  Another info site with many interstate and Canadian links sponsored by a legal group US & Canada Driving laws
This website instructs how to search your case on internet Legal group

THE FOLLOWING ARTICLES "STUCK IN THE RECIPROCOL MATRIX" EXPOSES THEM.See links

DRIVERS LICENSE SUSPENSIONS A NATIONAL DISGRACE
STOP THEIR FRIVOLOUS ISSUANCE

..STATES LIKE ARIZONA,CALIFORNIA,GEORGIA,ILLINOIS,WISCONSIN AND TOO MANY OTHERS ARE ISSUING DRIVERS LICENSE SUSPENSIONS WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH DRIVING INFRACTIONS BUT COURT JUDGEMENTS ISSUED BY SOME NON TRAFFIC COURT JUDGE FOR FAILURE TO APPEAR IN COURT FOR NOT PAYING A FINE SUCH AS FAILURE TO GET A DOG LICENSE, PARKING TICKETS OR OTHER FINE NON PAYMENTS

STATES CONSIDERING MAKING DRIVING ON A SUSPENDED LICENSE A FELONY (BIG FINE JAIL (Pokey,Calaboose)TIME.

. WHAT THEIR LEGISLATURES BETTER REALIZE IS THAT MANY SUSPENSIONS ARE HANDED OUT BY YOUR DMV,DOT,OR LICENSE REGULATORS AS DMV PLACEBOS. SHOULD THEY BE "CRIMINALIZED"MADE INTO FELONYS FOR NOT PAYING A FINE ON A MINOR INFRACTION.??

THE BROWARD COUNTY THING IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.IF YOUR STATE LEGISLATURE IS CONSIDERING SUCH A MOVE SHOW THEM THESE ARTICLES USE THE LINK BELOW..

STOP FRIVOLOUS LICENSE SUSPENSIONS

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DRIVER & DRIVERS LICENSE PROBLEMS
Reports of state regulators (DMV,DOT,etc) drivers rights abuses wanted

True story. What happens when a driver who is a legal resident of the state he is arrested in gets reported as a resident of another state in a dui ? Since 1987 Our happless friend has spent years of heartbreak and thousands of dollars trying to streighten out a misreporting of his residency caused by a Wisconsin county DA failure to comply with a judges directive. He's been rebuffed by the state which claims residency to the point where they (Illinois Secretary of State) returned his certified mail. As of today "he still can't "legally" drive. Following this story there are links to most drivers license related questions

THERE ARE BIG DIFFERENCES IN COMPLIANCE BETWEEN STATES.

What happens when the state your reported to be a resident of but aren't? That state then insists on their juristiction ??
HERE IS A BUREAUCRATIC INJUSTICE AND A CASE THAT MUST BE TAKEN INTO THE COURTS but will it ever get there ?
BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCES IN LEGAL COMPLIANCE BETWEEN STATES IN MOST STATES RECIPROCAL SPECIALISTS ARE NEEDED TO DEAL WITH THE CONVOLUTED REGULATIONS CREATED BY THESE BUREAUCRACIES.

WHILE THERE ARE RECIPROCAL AGREEMENTS MANY STATES DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANOTHERS EVALUATION AND RETRAINING PROGRAMS.YOU CAN'T EVEN GET A HARDSHIP LICENSE FROM YOUR STATE Here a Wisconsin resident gets reported (misreported) as an Illinois resident in a 1987 DUI/OWI winds up fighting two juristictions (still can't legally drive seeking legal help). Then without notice gets a judgement for unpaid fines on a case which never went to a hearing. Filed by the jurisdiction which created the problem in the first place which goes to credit reporting agencies. He wants to take this to the courts. Can you help him do so ? The venue where these problems occured was in Adams county Wisconsin circut court but if you have had a similar problem in another court or another state please help the US MAT track these occurances please respond. How to contact for more info follows article

Lead Story.....
After 3 state regulators (Illinois Secretary of State) 2 became governor,1,ex gov George Ryan has gone to trial and been convicted and sentenced to 6+ years (will probably serve 5 if appeal is denied)
Yet "Our Friend" is still...


Stuck In The Reciprocal drivers license(DUI OWI) MATRIX
© L.J.Keslin 2003 2004 revised,updated, 09/03/06
ALAS THE ONLY WEBSITE REPORTING AN IN DEPTH LOOK AT REGULATOR ABUSES IN THE INTER-STATE DRIVERS LICENSE RECIPROCAL REGULATING SYSTEM***

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For an eye opening extensive investigation of corruption Of Your Local DMV stories follow expose on the Illinois Secretary of State (Please remember to hit your back button to return to theusmat) by

THE Illinois Secretary of State (ISS) OFFERS NO REDRESS TO SUCH PROBLEMS WHICH IS WHY FEW LAWYERS WANT TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM.

AS STATED EARLIER OUT OF STATE RETRAINING AND ALCOHOL EVALUATION PROGRAMS ARE NOT ACCEPTED BY ILLINOIS. MOST OF THOSE OFFERING THESE SERVICES ARE HEAVY CONTRIBUTERS TO A POLITICAL ELECTED OFFICE, THE ILLINOIS SECRETARY OF STATE, WHICH AMONG ITS MYRIAD FUNCTIONS ADMINISTERS AND RUNS DRIVING LICENSING.WHICH IS ONE REASON WHY THE ISS SHOULD HAVE ITS DRIVING PRIVLEDGES YANKED AND GIVEN TO IDOT (the Illinois Department of Transportation)AND RUN BY A COMMISSION.

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BREAKING STORYS. BREAKING STORYS
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IS IT TIME TO RE REVOKE ISS DRIVING PRIVLEDGES AND HAND THAT PART TO IDOT ??

While Illinois former governor Ryan has gone to trial and been convicted of corruption while the Illinois Secretary of State

We Remember another Secretary of State with the same last name as a former US Secretary of State Except

..His name was Paul Powell, he was white,he was a Democrat, he was from downstate Illinois, and he was Illinois Secretary of State. The first time we heard him speak was at a state American Legion convention held in Chicago's Palmer House. He was a spell binder he held the audience in the palms of his hands. When he suddenly died the lights were on all night at the Illinois Secretary of States offices , hauling out records and we found that other things were in the palms of his hands. Shoe boxes of cash.Lots of shoe boxes. Lots of cash. In other states Secretary of State is a little to do office.

In Illinois its the 3rd most powerful office in the state. Governor being first, Mayor of Chicago second, and then the Illinois Secretary of State.

It has its own police, and is among other things in charge of most state buildings.

The Illinois Secretary of State not only handles drivers permits and licenses, it also polices (as in many states secretarys of state) both profit and non profit incorporations issuing charters etc to legally operate as a profit or not for profit organization.

   According to a former employee who worked in that division. Where the political patronage lies is within the non for profit division where the discipline of the member organization such as let us say an American Legion Post is left up to that respective organization headquarters in this case known as Department of Illinois or simply "department"( really the American Legion state administration headquarters of Illnois).

Field Investigators are suppose to check on these member organizations to see if they are legally reporting .But because of the ISS policy of letting the main organization police their own. Which in many cases (including the American Legion Dept of Illinois) they don't do so and rely on the ISS to do its job.Investigators in this division are sign in sign out and collect personnel who do just that. Clubs,posts,chapters etc of these organizations simply send in the renewal fee while the club, or organization can be or is actually defunct. As a result these member clubs and organizations get entitled to the benefits of a bona-fide non for profit group which includes of course fund raising

Once again the Illinois Secretary of State is in the news in this case the Republicans have come up with a viable candidate State Senator Dan Ruthorford who is demonstrating a keen interest in problems with the huge bureaucracy to challange Jesse Whites administration of this office. If you are trying to get results working with reciprocal problems let Rutherford know Dan Rutherford .

Our Other Lead Storys Stuck in The Drivers License Reciprocal Matrix
AND THE MONEY MILL

62,000 D/L/S Dries Up This Wisconsin Cash Cow

62,000!62,000! 62,000 (actually 61,837 rounded figure furnished by MJS (see links ) suspended licenses in one small major city alone the majority of these are for non payment of fines mostly related to non moving violations.

What happens when a individual gets a DRIVERS LICENSE SUSPENSION unrelated to a moving violation? Their driving record is obfuscated.ITS ON THE COMPUTER They get an INSURANCE INCREASE UP TO 20% from their insurance company.If their job requires driving they're out of luck.

LAWYERS WITH THEIR PALMS OUTSTRECHED drawing fat retainers eagerly await these "routine" cases and why save a few lawyers leave this cause as wont.And another reason why its a cash cow.

States like Illinois makes that suspension a permanent part of their driving record. If ISS can do this shouldn't the various Illinois courts be required to maintain those records and a conviction review permanently allowed ?

Too many states use this procedure as an attempt to collect funds. Arizona, not only suspends licenses but issues arrest warrants.Florida,Pennsylvania,Illinois,Georgia, among others are doing this. How many thousands of suspended drivers licenses are out there ?

In an apparent attempt to collect a parking fine or a fine for not obtaining a dog license Arizona issues a suspension.

Recently the Wisconsin state legislature voted to suspend licenses to those who make false bomb threats (aimed at school kids). Fine you might say,all these laws are using the "driving is not a "right" but a privledge" Supreme Court ruling.But these suspensions have nothing to do with driving.

Whats next ? Smoking outside ? Sneezing? Sipping a beverage? Littering ? "Vagrancy"? Suspending a drivers license has become a catch all to disciplining every concievable social ill lawmakers can come up with. Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand ,driving.

The most FAQs we get is about reciprocal agreements.YOU ARE IN THE COMPUTER SYSTEM TO SEE WHAT YOUR STATES LAWS ARE CHECK OUR FAQS AT THE END OF OUT TEST outside of the fines etc which you pay locally. COMPLIANCE APPLYS TO YOUR STATE LAWS. IF AN DUI/ OWI, SCHOOL, CLASSES, ASSESSMENTS ETC IS DONE IN YOUR STATE . Its as if your traffic violation happened around the corner from your house which is fine if you live there.

UNLESS YOU HAVE BIG BUCKS GET TWO LAWYERS ONE FROM THE STATE YOUR ACCUSED OF RESIDING IN AND ONE FROM YOUR STATE..MAYBE THEN ..Exposed is this, and other examples of drivers license regulator abuses in which they seem to answer to no one not even the courts. .

We're seeking legal help that shows an interest in this (these) cases.

Where applicable practice before the appropriate courts IL and WI and perhaps US Appellate/ Supreme court,required.

Discovery (is available to serious interested partys please contact publisher direct or email) This is a no B/S strong case.

On the civil suits (where livelyhood was most severely affected) figure to compensate for considerable loss of income, mental, and physical, suffering. Plus investigate the possibility of bringing suit against ISS the (Illinois Secretary of State) for its intransigence in providing a venue questioning its juristiction thus failing to provide redress to that question thus causing a denial of civil rights of legal redress to a citizen of another state.

Of all the websites about the DUI OWI Reciprocal Matrix The US Mat is the only site bringing up these problems

This case began running in TheMAT in July 02 has yet to get a nibble. He is still looking for a lawyer(s)

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If You have experienced this or something similar
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ie reported as a resident of Illinois but a resident of Wisconsin,Indiana,or Michigan,
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YOUR STATE DMV DOT S/S DRIVERS LICENSE REGULATOR ABUSES AND SCANDALS LINKS

North Carolina DMV ends its scope of operations and gave part of its operations to the NC Department Of Transportation as a result of corruption and abuses  citizen-times

BIG BREAKING STORY BROUGHT DOWN AN EX GOVERNOR AND A POLITICAL PARTY
For more information on the Governor Ryan Illinois Secretary of State Scandal read the Chicago Sun Times article, note the sources of "contributions" from "approved" drivng schools,evaluators,and OWI/DUI outfits giving "classes".   Fawell's list of clout

Investigation of arrogance in the California DMV by the Sacramento News Review http://www.newsreview.com/issues/sacto/2003-01-09/news.asp
Corruption in New Jersey in a DMV facilty, one of many articles. In this one the entire staff of a NJDMV facility in Newark are all fired IPANYVoicesmustbeheard

WISCONSIN'S CASH COW.... City of Milwaukee 62,000 Drivers License Suspensions (mostly issued for not paying parking tix or other fines not related to moving violations) ,Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on line (surveys first)see article following test jsonlsuspensions

New Mexico's Gov Bill Richardson (who once claimed he was "drafted" to play pro baseball and later denied it) and frequently mentioned as a possible Dem Presidential candidate offered a pitch for all vehicles in the state be required to have breath tester ignitions to prevent drunk driving. But the legislature refused to play ball where the idea struck out. They felt the offer wasn't worth a draft. What drivers license legislation New Mexico did pass Abq Trib .

Latest scandal in Nevada DMV Rreview Journal

USMAT EXCLUSIVE BROWARD COUNTY FLORIDA SNOWBIRDS FIND A SEAT BELT VIOLATION BUCKLES UP A SUSPENSION IN THEIR STATES DRIVERS LICENSE RECIPROCAL MATRIX updated 3/01/05


       East and midwestern Snowbirds returning home from Broward County Florida found an unpleasantry in their mailbox. A notice of license suspension because of a bizzare traffic tie up near a popular flea market in which cops were handing out warning tickets for illegal U turns and a citation for not buckling up.
    The basis for the suspension was the failure to appear for seatbelt violation and or plead by mail.Seatbelt violations vary from state to state.In some states its considered a moving violation in others its not.

MOST STATES COME DOWN HARD ON PUTTING YOUNG CHILDREN IN THE FRONT SEAT AND NOT IN A BACK SAFETY SEAT
(for more on child booster seats and the new regulations go to The CW Lakeshore Beacon section in The US Mat). However this was not the case here. Many were mistaking this seatbelt citation for a warning. .
 :  Suspension Notices sent by Broward County District court are not only sent to driver but also to the state where the driver is from. Their state DMV then posts that suspension on their computer.;

Simply because they were not aware they were charged with driving with out a secured seatbelt and didn't plead before court ... To clear their name and their record beside pay their fine they have to go back to Florida..

.INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE SENT A 20% INCREASE RATE NOTICES TO ALL THOSE AFFECTED

(Note...MSNBC reports some think overpayment of fine and not cashing refund keeps books open (no record)on ticket, nope all your doing is donating letting juristiction collect interest on your money.)

More about the ISS (The Illinois Secretary of State) following in TheUSMat editorial and vets pages

IF YOUR ACCUSED OF ANY TRAFFIC VIOLATION PLEASE READ THIS

Since posting this on the internet in 2001 nothing has changed. There has never been an inquirey from a lawyer,the key participants are still around The happless caregiver unable to correct the situation

How a life was literally destroyed by a Wisconsin county District Attorney when in 1987 on a traffic DUI that DA abrogated a plea bargain agreement with the judge present ordering that district attorney "to see to it that he is to be reported as a Wisconsin resident"

Ignored that directive while George Ryan was Secretary of State and reported the offender (a resident of Wisconsin) as a resident of Illinois.

This is what has happened since that time how the fight between these state jurisdictions (Illinois Secretary of State, and the present Jesse White admistration and Wisconsin Department of Transportation) has led nowhere except down an abyss and today has a judgement posted against him with credit bureaus including one for a fine which should have never occured in the first place.

Since posting this case on the internet years ago(2001) It has not gotten one response.
Apparently its true what they say "Finding a good lawyer is like finding a snowflake in the middle of the Sahara"     Art Buckwald once said (paraphrased) You can do everything illegal, crooked, and licentious but in America if you don't drive there is something wrong with you.That observation by Art Buckwald is right on mark. Tell someone you just met you don't drive and see how fast they disappear

Visualize an area where there are no buses or public transportation where the very act of even getting rid of the garbage , going to the dump,requires driving let alone going to store or getting to work.
Note many attorneys look for first hand expressions of innocence such as" Training...These cops wouldn't make a pimple on a city cops ass,they're unprofessional don't know what doing a "Mickey the Mope" is..Note "Mickey The Mope" is a term used by Chicago Cops meaning to conduct an impartial investigation "jes doin my job mam".Or showing up at a domestic with guns blazing They're a bunch of cowboys with attitude armed with a badge and a gun "doing a rope a dope"..Piling on charges because you don't like the "alledged offender". And it looks like they're even having help making out their reports that are trampling on defendants rights. Or the District Attorney is a proven "Putz"There seems to be several of those listed in the net.

While lively reading there is none of that here,theusmat is interested in attracting lawyers to this cause, so only the facts, the streight narrative of the case is presented.Since lawyers don't read they let the law clerks do their heavy work. Lawclerks please pick up your yellow highliter.Time to hit the books see where the rulings are and come up with a case.


CHAPTER ONE
..Our Friends Case A Diary of Dispair

In 1987 a OWI (or DUI) arrest was made by a rural Wisconsin (Adams) county sheriff's department of a Wisconsin state resident..During a January snowstorm in order to avoid an animal crossing the 2 lane state road road the driver slamed on his brakes and slid into a ditch and was found with his vehicle attempting to get it out.During that arrest two charges were made, driving w/o a valid license and after getting a reading of .1 on a breatholizer a dui. In the process of arrest they removed a not presented 4 year expired Illinois drivers license from his wallet and initially reported that as his presented license to the Illinois Secretary of State (ISS) thus reporting him as an Illinois resident
   Despite Judge Raymond Gerringer, instruction (and who sat in and part of the plea agreement)to the District Attorney, Mark Thibideau, was to "see to it he be reported as a Wisconsin resident*" that District Attorney ignored it..

Now there was no question of his residency he was living a few miles outside of town on the family farm, he had a small graphic arts business mainly making signs including signs for a candidate running for sheriff, and was managing a gift shop in town, he also voted in elections.

Contrite and ready to conform to the courts direction (who from here on we shall call "our friend") went to comply with his court agreement(1987) Which means go for couselling, attend classes, and a six month mandatory suspension

When he went to comply both counselling and the Wisconsin Department Of Transportation claimed they didn't did not know why, but his license was revoked for an additional year by Illinois.and were unable to give a license because of reciprocal agreements with Illinois

To clear this up residency in Illinois is really required.Which he was unable to do

. He had a small handicrafts shop and was employed elsewhere plus he had no place to stay not even with relatives...

Unable to drive, after waiting 18 months he again returned to the WDOT office only to be told Illinois now permanently suspended his license.(1989)After a year and getting nowhere to clear his license with WDOT he was now in dire streights.

Unable to make a living he lost his business,left the state to live with relatives in Chicago.

Once there he again tried to recover his driving privledges.(1994)
    First he was told by ISS all he needed was insurance by a clerk at ISS Bridgeview facility which he promptly obtained, with proof of insurance he returned to the Bridgeview ISS office. Then he was told by an "You will have to see a ISS ajudicator ,in Blue Island IL" (miles away).

There at the ISS Blue Island facility before he could even begin to explain or question why Illinois claimed juristiction The Adjudicator smartly exclaimed "We dont like drunks!" Oh no! Now you must attend classes at ISS approved agencies (which does not include the VA health service substance abuse sponsored program). Probably "our friend surmised" because they are not political contributers) and wait an additional year.
    It was then he found out that his problem was caused by missreporting also that the ISS tacked on an additional year Illinois revocation to the WI six month revocation because he failed to appear for an ISS hearing and by not complying with Illinois. That then; resulted in a license suspension and after 17 years is still in force for a no accident OWI

To begin to fight it required documentation not only from Illinois but from Wisconsin. He began by obtaining his Illinois driving record (Chicago LaSalle ISS Hearings facility)which he did not know existed except in 1997 from help by a friend a former judge who told him what to . This record showed that his drivers license had expired in 1983 and that he was reported as an Illinois resident in a Wisconsin DUI in 1987.

To do all this took a year and a half of back and forth ,getting misinformation from the JESSE WHITE ADMINISTERED ISS and the WDOT going back with the correct questions to get an answer. 

Using original court records which the arresting county court claimed they didn't have,(these are supposed to be retained for 10 years) he used (after returning to Wisconsin to live)his records to support his contention with the JESSE WHITE ADMINISTERED Ilinois Secretary of State and by registered mail sent them to the ISS. Here he questioned the use of an expired license to support ISS juristiction which requires a series of notices being sent to a Illinois residence which were probably as the song goes returned to sender address unknown.

He also found out the WDOT had that information but did not inform him of it. By doing so he could not react and challange to correct that mistake in a timely manner. Because it was caused by the misreporting him as an Illinois resident and the local DA's failure to compy with the judges directive.

Once again he informed the ISS this time by registered letter (1999) but the JESSE WHITE administered ISS ignored his complaints,offered no venue or instruction to challange their juristiction insisting instead he comply with Illinois laws and and I>eventually refused his third certified (see editorial pages) letter.which he has in his files .

But The ISS did cite additional fines and penalties for missing a initial Illinois drivers hearing.
    To make matters worse the 70 year old returned back to Wisconsin in 1999 to be the sole caregiver* to a incontinent stroke victim brother confined to a walker.

In Wisconsin he went for re-evaluation after seeing his records told he was in compliance with Wisconsin state laws but couldn't " help with the Illinois reciprocity nor could they recommend a venue to redress his problem."At his request they witheld his fees "just in case"and still have them .His "license is still listed as suspended in Illinois

DOES YOUR VEHICLE HAVE THAT LITTLE BLACK BOX AND DO YOU WANT ONE? Its known as an EVENT DATA RECORDER abc tv news black box story and it records the date,the speed your going,when your brakes were applied, if your seat belt was employed, among other things, this site lists who has them black box vehicle list

CHAPTER TWO
ROAD RAGE COMPLICATIONS LADEN IN IRONY Conduct of the court

Continuing to hire helper drivers when and where he could which often proved a problem since 1987.
Is This Exculpatory? Exculpatory is testimony or lack of it that would show free from guilt.A False Report ? A peculiar proof of residency ?
One day in May 01 "Our Friend" and his driver were checking a property line aside a town road.After giving right of way to a couple in a new Lincoln which refused it, The couple following close behind began cursing and swearing at the two as they proceeded to inspect the property for fallen tree and brush clean up which meant stopping and starting during the roadside inspection. The complainents vehicle was following "up to the vehicles he was in back bumper" despite wave offs to pass.Then cell phoned in a OWI.

Our friend speculates some bumper stickers on the vans back door one of which was touting being Irish, and the other reading "Pray The Rosary" may have triggered this response.

Did cop file a false report if so how do you fight it ?

The responding officer arrived late, but in his report (discovery) shows , claimed hot pursuit,, observance of cell phone arrest protocol*, and no rights protest to comply with WDOT rules.

When the arresting officer did arrive.*Our friend (who is lame)already had earlier pulled into his driveway let his driver out in a compound building.He was arrested on foot on premises while returning from his rural mail with mail in hand. The first thing the responding officer did was to accuse "our friend" of harrassing and threatening the complainent and did not wait for a response but continued with a string of accusations.

When the demand was made to produce the complainent he was told by the officer "thats none of your business".The officer then demanded a sobriety test.And was arrested when "our friend" refused."Our Friend" later explained to TheUSMat he refused because he felt if he did comply with what he feels was the officers illegal demand he would never learn who the complainents were .

None of this appeared in the arresting officers report (discovery)which would (or should) have required a WDOT hearing .

"Our friend" now 70 years old was charged with OWI/Refusal, Driving under(the Illinois caused by the missreporting) suspension. In addition two merchants one the areas only supermarket, and the other a tavern owner filed complaints on one $10 bad checks each and with the, DAs concurrence ( the same DA who abrogated the judges instructions) which ultimately caused the loss of livelyhood.

It would seem the DA then remembers he is a Wisconsin resident The DA then issued a silent (unserved) warrant in 1989.

Unaware of the warrant "our friend" knew about the bad check and made immediate attempts at restitution to the bar owner once he returned to the area..He would see the bar owner who was selling his business and in the process of moving out of state often at the VA hospital while"our friend" was taking his brother for treatment.

When this went to a hearing as a result of the traffic ticket was 2001. the bar was already sold, and the owner residing in Florida .

It was the second of three times "our friend" would do self representation.And each time the judge had deferred to the prosecution.

The first was the 1st (pre trial plea) traffic hearing where his lawyer not aware of the Wisconsin Department of Transportation refusal appeal deadline refused to attend leaving his client to ask for their hearing. The arresting officer did not report the rights protest in his arrest record (discovery).

Then the DA (Mark Thibideau)objected and the judge deferred to the DA.

This time he attempted to point out that restitution was made. When the assistant DA interrupted claiming their office were in contact with the complainants and no such attempt was made.Our friend contends there was no contact made by the assistant DA and lied to the judge and may have lied when the warrant was issued

The DA is the same DA in office since his 87 violations.

"Our friend" caved in to the judges insistence of nocontest and forfeited his $200 plus bond..

On the impending traffic case with the lawyer hired for his defense our friend fared no better.

The lawyer (who's firm was founded by family members of the current prosecuting DA,) for the traffic violations OWI/Refusal, Driving w/ suspended license (IL).  Noted who the complainants on the cell phone refusal were   a local owner of a plastics factory whom our friend calls "heavy hitters".

His lawyer was informed of the conditions of arrest, and why "our friend " demanded a jury trial. The Illinois situation, the hardship conditions,his lawyer never responded to. Nor offered any reassurance these situations would even be considered. .

Chapter Three
See What Happens When Your Lawyer Decides Your Guilty
When reviewing discovery his lawyer refused to discuss the case any furthur with his client despite the clients efforts to bring it up.This included getting a transcript of cell phone complaint. Faxes sent to his office went unanswered. Any concerns his client had the lawyer was dissmissive of to the point of arrogance Our Friend states that he handed questions to his lawyer in writng (he was already shown his IL driving record which reported the suspension originated in Illinois) and would hand back the questions dismissively with no comment and literally snort. The lawyer did not note the arresting officer had not established a driver (this was not a rolling stop),both (the lawyer and the arresting officer) did not pay attention to WISDOT review protocol,and the lawyer was asked in writing for the ISS disposition and failed to answer.

He did hold a closed door pretrial conference with the DA without "our friend" or the presiding judge (Duane Polivka) present .Note previous judges in this court have availed themselves to be present at any pretrial plea agreement and the judge in this case was the same in all the proceedings mentioned. Including the pre-trials and the forfiture for a no contest plea)

His lawyer (refered by WI Bar Assn) then reported back to his client that in exchange for a guilty plea of the OWI (1st offense under revised statute)and   the driving under suspension would be dropped.Then his lawyer refused to take the case to trial and quit.

This lawyer despite being shown the IL driving record indicating the miss-reporting, or even if an agreement to the plea bargain would clear that with Illinois. Instead, while informed of the causes of the Illinois suspension therefore under canon obligation to mention it did not do so. If he did so that District Attorney is then under obligation to pursue the matter .Plus when asked about it this lawyer did not respond.

That "deal " reminded "our friend" of the 87 episode where the same DA dropped the  driving w/o a license for a guilty plea to the larger charge and ignored the judges instructions and felt who's word was not to be trusted.

The upshot is "our friend " Desperately tying to beat the 60 day deadline he sent out 40, 6 digest sized page case outlines case to area lawyers chiefly in the nearby state capital Madison,which advertised in its yellow pages and received but one N/I reply citing t/d (time and distance).

He recieved a notice of revocation with the Wisconsin Department Of Transportation which expires in 2004 and undoubtably a traffic arrest warrant

Now "OUR FRIEND" doesn't want expediency, or to make a que$tionable deal$ or "arrangement$" with The Illinoi$ situation,he wants  the lawyer he hired disciplined (The lawyer kept $800 of the $1000 retainer),and the case brought to national attention so that stuff like this doesn't happen.

HE WANTS IT TO GO TO TRIAL

If you have been victimized by such a judgement LET THE US MAT KNOW.
WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW IS THE JURISDICTION WHICH INITIATED THE ACTION AGAINST YOU AND HOW TO CONTACT YOU IF NEEDED.


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WE ASK WHO IS FOR DRUNK DRIVING ?
Regulators running amuck... Unintended Consequences of well intentioned laws.
IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT OF ONE STATE AND HAD A TRAFFIC VIOLATION WHILE A RESIDENT OF ANOTHER STATE AND BEEN TOLD YOU MUST RETURN TO THAT STATE TO CLEAR YOUR DRIVING RECORD, OR IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN ARRESTED WITH AN EXPIRED LICENSE FROM ANOTHER STATE AND LISTED AS A RESIDENT OF THAT STATE BUT ARE NOT...LET US KNOW
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YOUR DRIVERS KNOWLEDGE OF (RIGHTS) LAW
TEST

Pre-Trial Case Questions For Court Presentation
Questions to ask your lawyer before dishing up the"up front"Do they apply to your case ? Its up to you to ask these questions rather then left with a bar tab.Read; William C Head, Trial Lawyer essay address recap bad lawyering begins with lawyer's bad attitude and lack of knowledge The 5 Myths

Law clerks ,Professors and teachers of law you may find this a good study out
Students of the Law.... Set your yellow highlighter aside and grab a ballpoint.
You may wish to jot down the list of websites in Hints given after each question and visit them.


TEST
LAWYERS AND LEGISLATORS KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR STATES DRIVERS LICENSE REGULATIONS, CONTESTED REGULATIONS, AND RULINGS

Questions on case law or ready for argument.We also offer some appellate and state supreme court rulings as hints to answers.We list some sites (remember to hit your back button to return) but not all the links this is after all a test .

     First Question;
While the Supreme Court has ruled that the state can regulate the licensing of driving, driving therefore is considered a " privledge "
Can it ever be considered a right ?
  ; Hint Congressman Dick Armey's stop lite site offers several extracts on rulings by Appellate courts supporting it is a right...(Not a link) www.apfn.org/apfn/traffic-light and http://www.justiceprose.8m.com/HINT www.justiceprose.8m.com

This is a case based on a breath analysis " Intoxholizer,or,Breathalizer " conviction in 1987 of a 1.0 reading.
Question
What was the Supreme Court ruling on the use of breath analysis and would the reversal apply ?
    Hint check AZ Supreme Court ruling 2/17/03 Adams vs Intoxilizer 5000 (Maracopa county) Arizona (AZ) Phoenix Crime Lab Records) www.stirlinglaw.com(hint) www.stirlinglaw.com .
State Legislators the answers to the questions raised here should interest you because corrective legislation is needed

HERE ARE DRIVERS RIGHTS QUESTIONS THAT SHOULD BE RAISED AND ANSWERED

   Here's another Question. Please pass the answers on the next two to your favorite legislatormay offer some clues
Lawclerks Test Next Question.
    Because of the Supreme Court rulling on Breath evaluation evidence, court records were removed, destroyed, or made otherwise unavailable, and that conviction not made part of a permanent individual driving record. Or some states have set a period of the time length it retains that as record and then removes it.
Your Question is, (and this is going on).
IN VIEW OF THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT RULING (see 2nd test question hint) Can another state make that conviction a permanent part of its individual driving record on the same individual ?
Should they be able to do this ?
Does Yours ?
What legal option does that individual have?

Next Question.

Some states regulatory agencies hold a suspension hearing even before a pre trial plea is made and a court decision rendered.
By doing this are they superceeding court juristiction by removing or suspending driving privledges before judgement?
Is this happening in your state ?
If so should it ?

Next Question
     A prosecutor by intent or indolence abrogates a plea bargain agreement and ignores a judges verbal order.(specifics presented in Chapter 1 Case Diary)
Has this action in turn denied due process protection ?
Can the prosecuter face a civil suit by doing so?

   Another Case law Question .
If a reciprocal state drivers regulatory agency informed by the individual involved that an error in reporting juristiction was made does not offer a resonable venue to review its juristiction,
Is it violating the complainents civil rights ?
If needed Should it by law be required to do so?
Is there a legal option civil or other this person can take ?

; Here's a six part question about Cell Phone Protocol ? (note:Protocol,Protocal these are rules of arrest police officers are suppose to follow in this case the lawyer was asked to review them but refused)
In a citizen complaint (cell phone)when the responding investigating officer refuses to identify the complainent.
(1) Is the accused within rights to refuse a demand for a sobriety test in non in operation vehicle situation when the accuser is not identified ?
(2) If the respondent did comply with the officers demand without the accuser being identified would the complainent ever be identified ?
(3) Would that be a basis for refusal ?
Question.
If the same officer then files a report claiming hot pursuit mistating the conditions of arrest.
(4) Has the officer filed a false report ?If so.. Is it exculpatory ?
(5) Fifth Part. If the arresting officer does not report protestation of innocence in the arrest which would allow a review by the drivers license regulator the case gets ajudicated as guilty . Can the case be reviewed ?Is this excuplatory ?
(6) Can the officer be charged ?
If so what charge(s)
Question .
If a lawyer quits a case yet deducts the retainer can he be sued?
Question
7 If a prosecuter prefers to discuss "deals" with a defendants lawyer without the client present is he violating the defendants rights ?
Test end

QUES Can I get a license if my license has been suspended or revoked by one state and go to another state to get a license ?

ANS; NOPE..You'll have to go to that state where that happened and compy with whatever their laws are.You won't even be able to get a hardship license.

QUES:Point 08 vs point 1 and implied consent ?
ANS: Not all states have either or both, these answers like all legal matters should be taken up with your lawyer. If you have been accused of either particularly OWI get a lawyer.But A BAD LAWYER IS WORSE THAN NO LAWYER The purpose of the test is questions you should ask If they can't answer don't hire

In conclusion We ask ?
Hey ! Who is for drunk driving ?

The US Mat is exposing the consequences of well intentioned legislation. Behind bureaucratic regulations these consequences expose unintended abuse supported by documentation. But since your state regulator made up the rules They don't have to respond to a challange and from what we understand there is no law requiring a reciprocal regulator to do so.

Drivers License regulators we claim as a matter of policy create undue delays by giving out incomplete or incorrect information designed to reinforce their jurisdiction and to further punish miscreants.

This we submit sometimes well exceeds court intention and legislative direction. It is a question of You paid your fine,did your time,now wait in line. Some state regulators are better responding to questions than others

Drunk driving is a billion dollar industry, we don't need a statistic logic tells us this. Yet today some states still maintain unoffical police department quotas on the number of OWI or DUI arrests made.

If the state has offically abolished quotas rural areas are hard pressed to "bring in the bucks".. The arrests then for the most part are a light out,smell your breath,opps drunk driving stop.

Furthurmore once arrested there is a question of defence.

If you sit in a court in a rural area and listen to the continuance pleas especially to "visitors" They can't get representation But those judges and prosecution know this already.For example "Our friend" sent out 40, 6, digest paged case outlines to the nearby state capital which is known for lawyers at the max a two and a half hour drive from where he is. Of the 40, one firm replied to the negative,citing location, another responded without reading the facts suggested an "expeditious" guilty plea. The rest didn't bother.

People are getting hurt here its time to review this stuff and what a media such as the internet can do best.

    Most readers have difficulty believing these situations exist,what hardships are being gone through. We wish to assure them they do exist

THAT WAR ON THE WAR
IS THERE TOO MUCH POLYTICKING ?

By L.J.KESLIN

MEDIA AGENDA ON: 1/1/06 CBS Sunday Night News did a recap of "Mr Bush's" defence of action taken on international phone conversations. On the right hand of the TV screen was a what appears to be a touched up inset photo of the president with a deer in the road stare at on comming car lights. Or the 1/15/06 pulled edition with staged photo indicating a 155 artillery shell was a CIA guided missile used in Sundays early Enet New York Times. Anything that comes out as a revelation against the political party running this present government or against their editorial agenda from that source (NYT) should be viewed with a triple dose of skepticism.

The MSM (main stream media) knows full well thats what is being discussed is monitoring of select foreign sources which has been done in modern times since FDR, JFK, (who spied on Martin Luther King) and LBJ. Using the same techniques as recently as December 23rd 05 the Italians uncovered and thwarted a plot by Islamic Anarchists to hit several targets in the US which made european headlines but mum in US MSM.

That CBS newscast didn't even cover the buy out of MBNA by Bank America which became effective New Years Day . MBNA being one and not the only one of the worst offenders using any excuse to rack up interest rates and service charges which probably affects more Americans than any potential terrorist international contact with suspected foreign Islamic Anarchist organizations storys which follow below after banner

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